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A response to the "Shooting at Shawnee" by Carl Baker

hello, my name is Carl Baker. I am the man who was shot. I want to thank the many people who have posted their words. I have read all of them. It has been 4 1/2 months ago that this happened to me . I am in pretty bad shape and am crippled as a result of the bullet that went thru both of my legs. I have recently graduated from the wheelchair and the walker and I am able to stand up and walk some with the use of a cane. my doctors tell me that I will never have normal legs. especialy my left leg. the bullet went thru my left leg about 4 inches above the knee cap it shattered the distal aspect of my left femur bone and on the way thru it took with it lots of mussle that will never grow back and severed the tendens that make the leg work the exit wound was massive it then went thru the calf mussle of my right leg. I didn't even know i was shot in the right leg untill i got to the hospital in harrisburg. I was then transfered by helicoppter to barnes jewish hospital in ST.Lois. there I recieved the finest care and owe my life to the wonderfull Doctors and Nurses. I was there for 10 days and had three different surgeries I nearly lost my left leg however with metal implants and screws and skin graphs they put me back together as best they could.thank god for the morphine getting shot point blank with a high powered rifle can be very painfull and still is. I take prescription pain medication as well as specialy precribed stuff for nerve damage it is amassing how numbness can be so painfull.

I am sure there are lots of people that would like to hear from me why I had a rifle at a gathering. the answer is simple. me and my family decided to travel and we planned to be gone all winter and were planning on going as far south as the florida keys and as far west as wyoming. we took all of our possitions including my hunting rifle for the porpose of hunting if we got the opertunity. I also had fishing poles. I like to hunt and fish. that was the reason the rifle was kept in the camper. I don't see any problem with that.and that brings us to another question.

Why and how come it was brought out and brandished and how come i was ultimately shot with my own rifle...that is a question that deserves an answer and I want very much to tell all the rainbow family the details of what happened and I will do so. but not at this time as I am exhausted right now and it is late . I want to be rested and alert when I tell of the horrer that took place. in my next post you will read my story and how I saw it from both ends of the gun. please excuse me I need to rest now.

Ocala 2011

Looks like a very inviting gathering this year!

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A rebuttal to "Janie Frame's totally fictitious "true" account"

Being anon has it's pro's and cons.

Some might think I am anon, but that is far from the truth, as many people know who I am.

I am a very outspoken individual.

I have my own thoughts, my own mind, and my own beliefs.

Lately, I have spoken up and out against the recent shooting, and have openly questioned Janie Frame's version of events.

I have been attacked in AGRO for having an opinion.

Attacked for "attacking the VICTIM" of a violent crime.

I have, from the beginning, wondered just who the victim is.

To me... Rainbow is the VICTIM, FAMILY is the VICTIM, and every person that will suffer new restrictions placed upon us... ARE the VICTIMS.

Since first reading about Janie's account of the shooting, something just did not jive with me, about what was being said.

I have been to two dozen gatherings and NEVER encountered such a display of ignorance and arrogance.

Sure there have been some doozies, and people have been hurt, but never have I seen a person with an assault rifle go ballistic on over a dozen people and not have any concern or safety for all the sleeping children around them.... KNOWING that someone would end up getting hurt.

Personally, I am glad it was the guy that pulled the rifle, vs some innocent sleeping child!

I find it very interesting that Janie and her father, felt that they needed to get online before any word got out, and put out THEIR version of the story FIRST. Her story was rushed, very sketchy, and full of blame on anyone and everyone involved EXCEPT THEMSELVES!

Janie's father tells the police and news paper, that he had no intention on shooting anyone, and that he was only trying to scare people off.

Yet, yesterday, Janie herself comes on AGRO and tells people that her father HAD EVERY INTENTION ON SHOOTING SOMEONE... but, here is the kicker... HE DID NOT KNOW WHO TO SHOOT!

Personally, knowing there is always more to every story, I have been awaiting for more of the story to show up.

There is chatter about him going around all week and bragging about his assault rifle.

There has been chatter that he was one of the drunks that contributed to the shitty environment this year.

Then there is a new rebuttal to Janie's version of events.

I will post that next.

I believe in all our rights to our own freedom of speech. I have recently opened up the comment section of this blog so that people can add any input to the past few years of news stories. I have left it open to anon posts but it is moderated.

I would like to make it clear that I am not a "hater" against Janie and her father.

I hope she gets the mental help she needs for having to witness such a traumatic event involving someone so close to her.

I hope her father gets the best medical care that a person with nothing can get!

I just want the truth to come out and I want the facts to be known.

Too many  people jump on someone's band wagon before they even know what is going on.

If people want to hate me more for speaking out and wondering why something does not sound right... SO BE IT!

PPAZ

(to the person that wrote and spread this rebuttal... could you please stand up and put a name behind it? It would be much more credible and help get the truth out. And our family needs the truth to come out!)

Please post this to any Rainbow Family forums you have access to, particularly those already having read Janie Frame's totally fictitious "true" account 

First of all, I would like to clear up the accusations of A Camp's involvement. A Camp had absolutely zero involvement in the incident. There was no A Camp there. A Camp is a group of tightly knit brothers, none of whom were present at the Shawnee gathering.

On the night in question, there were several people drinking and hanging out in the parking lot. They were apparently smoking a joint when one (the RV owner) became agitated and a fight broke out. I heard my friend calling out in distress and I rushed to their aid. When I walked up I saw that the RV door was open with the screen door closed, and there was a female inside weilding a hatchet and screaming violent threats to anyone outside--to wit, "I can hit you if you come near my house!" The female outside most closely being threatened shut the camper door, obviously to keep the hysteriac inside. After the door shut, I clearly heard a man inside yelling, "I've got a gun! I'll shoot you!" Next, he SHOT the gun out of his window--not into the air, at human-being-level randomly into the darkness. Next, the camper door swung open and a man stepped out holding a large rifle. He SHOT the gun again, out the door--again, not into the air, not into the ground, but randomly into the darkness and potentially into the body(ies) of whatever unfortunate human happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Keep in mind, this is a bolt-action rifle and has to be reloaded before each shot. At this point, a man sensing the imminent danger attempted to disarm him, and caught the barrel of the gun right beneath his chin. The man holding the gun then VISIBLY PULLED THE TRIGGER, but fortunately had not loaded another round, thereby sparing the life of a member of our family. That's when two other men stepped in and began to struggle for possession of the gun, apparently during which time the gun-toter managed to reload, because the next thing I heard was the loud bang of a gunshot. (I find it quite interesting that Ms. Janie Frame can provide such a detailed eyewitness account, being that she was inside the camper the entire time.) Luckily, no one was harmed except the violent psychopath who decided not only to bring a gun to a gathering, but to shoot it randomly into the darkness. I should take this moment to mention that earlier, maybe a day before, I spoke with a sister who said that the gun-toting man in question had been hitting on her rather aggressively and told her, "Don't worry, if anyone fucks with you, I'll shoot 'em with my gun." Also, several days earlier, one night we all heard a loud BANG and thought, It wasn't a gunshot, was it a firework? It smelled like a firework. Sure was loud. It was heard clearly throughout the woods, people all the way down at Tea Time heard it. There was speculation of it being a propane tank but there was no tank debris and a distinct sulphur aroma. Well, after the man had been disarmed, the RV was raided to make sure there were no more weapons threatening our family, and sure enough, a quantity of dynamite was recovered. It was in everyone's interest to go through the RV and make sure he didn't have another gun in there, or something else outrageous and harmful to all of us. During this time, the windows of the RV were broken, which I attribute to our family's rage at having their safety and lives threatened so intensely in what's supposed to be all of our Home. I witnessed all this from close by, but haven't spoken to any police or authorities because I believe in solving our own problems without outside help--which, I believe, this was an excellent example of. !

Our brothers and sisters handled a highly volatile situation in the best manner possible, and I feel very proud of my family. It makes me feel safer knowing that I have such strong family risking their lives to protect me, you, and all of us. We all owe a great amount of thanks to the courageous members of our family who risked injury or death to keep this threat from reaching us. 

Go in Love and Light

Rainbow Blissware

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